Well To Be Honest, Math Was Never One Of My Best Subjects In School ...

I get VERY tired about hearing how much independent schools are hurting the public school system, because they take financial resource away.

 

For those who have refused to believe this is untrue, or are being brainwashed by partisan comments from the BCTF and its partners, here are the FACTS:
Grants To Independent Schools:
The district operating grant consists of the per-pupil base allocation plus supplementary amounts added to produce the per-student district operating grant amount. Supplementary amounts are included for unique student needs (including learning disabilities, learning assistance, speech and language services, mild intellectual disabilities, English Language Learning, aboriginal education, and adult education programs), enrolment decline (greater than one percent per year), salary differentials, transportation and housing, and unique geographic factors. The supplementary factors account for the difference in school district operating grant amounts.

The number of full-time equivalent (FTE) eligible students enrolled in an independent school is a key component to calculating school grants. A full grant is paid for each full-time student who is enrolled for a minimum of 600 hours from July 1 to May 15 of the school year. Partial grants are paid for eligible partial students who receive less than 600 hours of instruction.

The designated percentages are as follows:

Group 1 = 50 percent of the local district's per-student grant amountGroup 2 = 35 percent of the local district's per-student grant amount

SEE MORE AT: http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=699A7E1C76EF494D9918D067921A86F1&title=Grants+to+Independent+Schools

In others words, each student in private education, provides an additional 50% of their grants TOO the public school system. Parents of students in private schools, are in fact SUBSIDIZING students in public education.

And before anyone jumps all over private schools for being elitist, the vast majority have demographics as mixed as any public school, and parents that are, by and large, everyday hard working people that live in the same neighbourhoods as everyone else.

 

Well I did have a discussion about this with some folks on Twitter, and of course I got responses not favourable to what had to say. Here are just a few of the responses I received:

 

@AlanForseth I am also curious about why you assert private school receipt of $$ from public purse isn't a subsidy? 

 

Private education, despite govt contribution , is not available to all regardless of income

 

access to benefit of my tax contribution should be progressively weighted to those with less than me

 

my opinion on my own tax dollars. Should only be spent on that which benefits all, to which all have access

 

If you choose private nobody's forcing you. Pay full shot. Anything else to me is a subsidy

 

It's unfair for public $ to subsidize classrooms of 18-20 in private system when govt won't bargain CSC in public schools

 

Here are just a few of the responses I posted back (with apologies for the misspells but Twitter only gives you 140 characters including spaces):

 

How is getting only 50% of /student funding a subsidy. Students in private schools support public system to tune of Millions of $s 

 

Approx $8,100 / student in public education, while +/- $4,000 per student in private education. I CAN do the math & its clear 2 me

 

Paid same taxs yet when my kids asked 2B in private skool, how was receiving 50% LESS of the / student funding a subsidy

 

Bull Crap! Everyday working parents with students in privat schools have 50% of student grant handed over 2 support public schools

 

Parents pay same taxes, but they get 50%. Rest of taxes paid goes to SUBSIDIZE public education.

 

And one of mine final thoughts was:

We all have opinions on where taxes $ shud be spent, & think we'd agree lots wasted. Can't agree on this tho - thnx 4 exchange :)

 

What's my final thoughts on this? Well to be honest, Math was never one of my best subjects in school, but I have had to learn math for business, I in my opinion, I am pretty good at what I need to calculate.

 

No matter how others want to spin it, the Per Student payment for children in private

education is 50% of what it is for students in public schools (approximately $4,000 vs. $8,000). And, adding the roughly 76,000 students currently in private schools to the public school system would cost the government an additional Three Hundred and Four Million dollars per year (76,000 students times $4,000 each)!

 

AND ... most families with children in private school ARE NOT rich elitist people. They are everyday working families that chose to allocate the money the earn to have their children in private schools. They come from the ever shrinking lower and middle middle-class.

 

Enough!!! Leave these poor people alone. And ... let them continue to subsidize those who are in the public school system.

 

I'm Alan Forseth in Kamloops, with the thoughts of one conservative.

The education of our children is of paramount importance, and whatever WE decide, it will have to be considered with caution and a lot of thought

A ten year teachers contract? It's an idea that our premier, Christy Clark decided to float this week.

One of the things that I heard Christy point out was that with something like this in place, a child currently in Grade 3, would be able to get through all grades to graduation without a disruption.

Hmmm ... but what about a child that is currently in grade 1 or grade 2?

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, but what I question is the need to have a contract going for this length of time.

If I was a teacher, I would sure question whether to have something like this. After all, who knows what economic conditions will be next year ... never mind 6, 7, or 8 years from now.

And what would the government have to give up to get teachers to agree to a contract of that length?? I find it highly unlikely that teachers will go for anything like this, WITHOUT there being a huge carrot at the end.

ALSO ... on top of questionable economic conditions for everyone ... in terms of inflation, cost of living, etc ... how is the government going to know, with any certainty, what the population growth rates are going to be? Will we end up with the government locked into employing teachers where there are no jobs for them?

I just think the whole thing has far to many questions, and uncertainty, to even be considered.

On the other hand ... perhaps if the two sides sat down to look at better ways of working out wage structures, classroom composition, needs of students, etc ... that would be a far more productive and useful idea worthy of consideration.

Why do both sides need to bring themselves to the precipice of strike action every couple of years?

Meantime ... the other day I asked if people had any suggestions regarding issues of importance ... what was working well ... what wasn't ... what we needed to do better.

One of the suggestions and comments that came back to me was:

Since you have asked I will respond with public education and our society's attitude toward being an educated, healthy, happy citizen to ensure each individual person has success within their potential. 

If we do not ensure our students are educated, and, somewhat competitive with themselves as individual to ensure their own success; the majority will not be successful in their chosen career.

NOTE TO BCTF --- you are not the employer

I'm going to start by saying this blog will likely get some people ticked; however here goes.

Two decades of provincial negotiations with the BC Teachers Federation have resulted in only one collective agreement --- all others have been imposed. Many you reading this probably know why; for some reason or other the BC Teachers Federation doesn’t seem to understand they are not them employer!

Years ago I worked at a unionized open pit copper mine. The union bargaining committee were able to negotiate safety issues, wages, work hours, etc ... typical things that would be brought up / negotiated during bargaining in the public sector.

Teachers though??? Well they seem to think think they can negotiate how few days and hours they work --- how small class sizes should be – the pay they receive – where and when they work – and on and on it goes.